These are remarks by the President in Address to the Nation
“The Way Forward in Afghanistan and Pakistan” on 12.1.09
Eisenhower Hall Theatre, United States Military Academy at West Point, West Point, New York
- One need look no farther than these remarks to understand the delusional concepts of American exceptionalism, rejectionism and of course the arrogance in ignorance that so many Americans take such great pride in these days. Obama words are left justified in regular type; the crack’s observations are bold in bullet points. It is an alarming statement when such a speech regarding escalation of a lost conflict can be so very flawed, yet few take notice. There is a general lack of accountability on all levels. Read the speech; see for yourself…
THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. To the United States Corps of Cadets, to the men and women of our Armed Services, and to my fellow Americans: I want to speak to you tonight about our effort in Afghanistan — the nature of our commitment there, the scope of our interests, and the strategy that my administration will pursue to bring this war to a successful conclusion. It’s an extraordinary honor for me to do so here at West Point — where so many men and women have prepared to stand up for our security, and to represent what is finest about our country.
To address these important issues, it’s important to recall why America and our allies were compelled to fight a war in Afghanistan in the first place. We did not ask for this fight. On September 11, 2001, 19 men hijacked four airplanes and used them to murder nearly 3,000 people.
- The first assumption is history started ion September 11, 2001, that is clearly flawed.
They struck at our military and economic nerve centers. They took the lives of innocent men, women, and children without regard to their faith or race or station. Were it not for the heroic actions of passengers onboard one of those flights, they could have also struck at one of the great symbols of our democracy in Washington, and killed many more.
- Al Qaeda had declared war on America, America had frozen Al Qaeda Assets and fired cruise missile with the direct intent of targeted killings with little regard for civilians. When this is, turn on the USA on 9-11 rather than defend the USA against actions that were foretold and the USG failed. It was inexcusable, to date no American has been held accountable for this failure..
As we know, these men belonged to al Qaeda — a group of extremists who have distorted and defiled Islam, one of the world’s great religions, to justify the slaughter of innocents. Al Qaeda literally means “the base”; the base in reference to the military base as regards to the upholding of Sharia Law, Sharia Law being defined as the law as it is perceived to be followed in the days of the Prophets life. Sharia law is a martial law placed on Muslim communities when all hell breaks loose. Moreover, given the troubles one creates when two faiths use the same book, disorder is common in Muslim countries because while all agree in regards to Allah Akbar, it is how to rule on earth that is the issue.
Al Qaeda’s base of operations was in Afghanistan, where they were harbored by the Taliban — a ruthless, repressive and radical movement that seized control of that country after it was ravaged by years of Soviet occupation and civil war, and after the attention of America and our friends had turned elsewhere.
- The word Taliban literally means the students of Islam. The movement was supported by the United States and her allies Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. While the parameters of their upbringing is very different, the Talib fighters and movement is not new to the region and date back centuries.
Just days after 9/11, Congress authorized the use of force against al Qaeda and those who harbored them — an authorization that continues to this day.
- Open ended war against “the base.” Al Qaeda and movements like it can be directly linked to the fall of the Caliph and the rise of imperialism. The events surrounding the first World War are still very prevalent today. Movements such as Wahhabist and Deobandi are a direct assault on modernity introduced to the Muslim world by the West.
The vote in the Senate was 98 to nothing. The vote in the House was 420 to 1. For the first time in its history, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization invoked Article 5 — the commitment that says an attack on one member nation is an attack on all.
- There is little pride in being the first nation to invoke this Article. It is a direct failure of the USG to do its job, not a source of pride.
And the United Nations Security Council endorsed the use of all necessary steps to respond to the 9/11 attacks. America, our allies and the world were acting as one to destroy al Qaeda’s terrorist network and to protect our common security.
- Because all these bodies approved the attack and occupation of Afghanistan does not make it right. Because if one is willing to open a history book up deeper than 2001, then no one is willinng to see that force is not the solution to this holy war the USG is waging.
Under the banner of this domestic unity and international legitimacy — and only after the Taliban refused to turn over Osama bin Laden — we sent our troops into Afghanistan.
- As matter of fact the Taliban did offer to turn over Bin Laden to a Muslim country, Saudi Arabia would have taken him and killed him with glee. But no, the USG refused, turn him over to us and us only.
Within a matter of months, al Qaeda was scattered and many of its operatives were killed. The Taliban was driven from power and pushed back on its heels. A place that had known decades of fear now had reason to hope.
- Another Christian army in Afghanistan brings no reason to “hope”.
At a conference convened by the U.N., a provisional government was established under President Hamid Karzai. And an International Security Assistance Force was established to help bring a lasting peace to a war-torn country.
- All was good in never never land; but…
Then, in early 2003, the decision was made to wage a second war, in Iraq. The wrenching debate over the Iraq war is well-known and need not be repeated here. It’s enough to say that for the next six years, the Iraq war drew the dominant share of our troops, our resources, our diplomacy, and our national attention — and that the decision to go into Iraq caused substantial rifts between America and much of the world.
- In addition, here is the rube, if we had not fought the war in Iraq, Afghanistan would be “fixed” by now. Because this policy is all about fixing rather than coping.
Today, after extraordinary costs, we are bringing the Iraq war to a responsible end. We will remove our combat brigades from Iraq by the end of next summer, and all of our troops by the end of 2011. That we are doing so is a testament to the character of the men and women in uniform. (Applause.) Thanks to their courage, grit and perseverance, we have given Iraqis a chance to shape their future, and we are successfully leaving Iraq to its people.
- We have given the Iraqis the shaft, destroyed their country, bought off the Sunni long enough to declare victory and get the hell out of dodge. Quite the honorable guest; breaks your dishes, shits on your rug, rapes your wife and daughters while slaughtering and imprisoning your sons. Given so much has the USG…
But while we’ve achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated.
- It was the bright shining city on the hill but because of Iraq, it is now a shit hole. The logic is at best humorous.
After escaping across the border into Pakistan in 2001 and 2002, al Qaeda’s leadership established a safe haven there. Although a legitimate government was elected by the Afghan people, it’s been hampered by corruption, the drug trade, an under-developed economy, and insufficient security forces.
Over the last several years, the Taliban has maintained common cause with al Qaeda, as they both seek an overthrow of the Afghan government. Gradually, the Taliban has begun to control additional swaths of territory in Afghanistan, while engaging in increasingly brazen and devastating attacks of terrorism against the Pakistani people.
- A legitimate government, as long as one is willing to label fraud and default, legit.
Now, throughout this period, our troop levels in Afghanistan remained a fraction of what they were in Iraq. When I took office, we had just over 32,000 Americans serving in Afghanistan, compared to 160,000 in Iraq at the peak of the war.
- Why does that matter? Iraq is not Afghanistan.
Commanders in Afghanistan repeatedly asked for support to deal with the reemergence of the Taliban, but these reinforcements did not arrive.
Therefore, the assumption is if only we had more troops in Afghanistan, it would be fixed, this is incorrect thinking.
And that’s why, shortly after taking office, I approved a longstanding request for more troops.
- More armed Christian in the Pashtun tribal lands is not a solution; it is an escalation of the problem. He takes pride in a horrid mistake.
After consultations with our allies, I then announced a strategy recognizing the fundamental connection between our war effort in Afghanistan and the extremist safe havens in Pakistan.
An American trait in leadership, rather than dealing with the spot where one stands blame the horizon for your troubles.
I set a goal that was narrowly defined as disrupting, dismantling, and defeating al Qaeda and its extremist allies, and pledged to better coordinate our military and civilian efforts.
- Narrow as the Grand Canyon
Since then, we’ve made progress on some important objectives. High-ranking al Qaeda and Taliban leaders have been killed, and we’ve stepped up the pressure on al Qaeda worldwide.
- Taking pride in assassination is bad policy.
In Pakistan, that nation’s army has gone on its largest offensive in years. In Afghanistan, we and our allies prevented the Taliban from stopping a presidential election, and — although it was marred by fraud — that election produced a government that is consistent with Afghanistan’s laws and constitution.
- As long as one is willing to label fraud, corruption and default and being consistent with Afghanistan’s laws and constitution
Yet huge challenges remain.
- See we have done so very much good but we must do more good for they are very bad.
Afghanistan is not lost, but for several years it has moved backwards.
- Afghanistan simply “is”; to label it lost and need finding is to reject the world as it is and to dream of fantasy worlds that will not exist no matter how hard one chooses to believe. There is an underlying failure to cope here.
There’s no imminent threat of the government being overthrown, but the Taliban has gained momentum.
- Once again Obama is accurate as long as one is willing to stretch the label of ” no imminent threat” to allow daily rocket attacks, a government that controls only the region around Kabul and has no authority whatsoever in 90% of the country. Whose very existence is 100% dependent on the armed foreigners that prop it up. Not imminent, already determined, it is not if the Karzai government fails, it is when. Not imminent rather already been decided.
Al Qaeda has not reemerged in Afghanistan in the same numbers as before 9/11, but they retain their safe havens along the border.
- Are we fighting Al Qaeda or the Taliban? One can say they are the same in terms of Sharia law but they are not the same in terms of focus. Al Qaeda wants Islamic worldwide revolution, the Taliban want the outsiders to get the hell out of Afghanistan so they can live as they have for hundreds of years under the Pashtunwali and Sharia codes.
And our forces lack the full support they need to effectively train and partner with Afghan security forces and better secure the population. Our new commander in Afghanistan — General McChrystal — has reported that the security situation is more serious than he anticipated. In short: The status quo is not sustainable.
- However, it is neither about status quo nor sustainability. This is about change. We see something we do not think is “right” therefore, in our goodness we seek to change it, not deal with it, change it. For despite the fact we are only responsible for our own actions or inactions, we have become a nation of people in constant disgust failing to cope and always seeing change on the horizon, it is always other’s fault.
As cadets, you volunteered for service during this time of danger. Some of you fought in Afghanistan. Some of you will deploy there. As your Commander-in-Chief, I owe you a mission that is clearly defined, and worthy of your service. And that’s why, after the Afghan voting was completed, I insisted on a thorough review of our strategy.
- The Afghan voting was a fraud, to point to this, as a milestone shows how little the herd cares to understand what a farce this entire debacle is.
Now, let me be clear: There has never been an option before me that called for troop deployments before 2010, so there has been no delay or denial of resources necessary for the conduct of the war during this review period. Instead, the review has allowed me to ask the hard questions, and to explore all the different options, along with my national security team, our military and civilian leadership in Afghanistan, and our key partners. And given the stakes involved, I owed the American people — and our troops — no less.
- He is answering Cheney’s accusation of dithering; he is showing his thin skin here. If he is so very “right”; no justification is needed by adding this statement in his speech, he adds credibility to the foot dragging mantra of the GOP.
This review is now complete. And as Commander-in-Chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. These are the resources that we need to seize the initiative, while building the Afghan capacity that can allow for a responsible transition of our forces out of Afghanistan.
- After eight years and billions of dollars, seems seizing the initiative is a bit late.
I do not make this decision lightly. I opposed the war in Iraq precisely because I believe that we must exercise restraint in the use of military force, and always consider the long-term consequences of our actions. We have been at war now for eight years, at enormous cost in lives and resources. Years of debate over Iraq and terrorism have left our unity on national security issues in tatters, and created a highly polarized and partisan backdrop for this effort. And having just experienced the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the American people are understandably focused on rebuilding our economy and putting people to work here at home.
- Therefore, let us send more meat in to the grinder at a cost of 1 million dollars per year per soldier, such fine thinking.
Most of all, I know that this decision asks even more of you — a military that, along with your families, has already borne the heaviest of all burdens. As President, I have signed a letter of condolence to the family of each American who gives their life in these wars. I have read the letters from the parents and spouses of those who deployed. I visited our courageous wounded warriors at Walter Reed. I’ve traveled to Dover to meet the flag-draped caskets of 18 Americans returning home to their final resting place. I see firsthand the terrible wages of war. If I did not think that the security of the United States and the safety of the American people were at stake in Afghanistan, I would gladly order every single one of our troops home tomorrow.
So, no, I do not make this decision lightly. I make this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism practiced by al Qaeda. It is from here that we were attacked on 9/11, and it is from here that new attacks are being plotted as I speak.
- We were attacked on 9-11 in New York and Washington, not in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Even if the attacks were planned here, that is a much different thing than the actual attack themselves.
This is no idle danger; no hypothetical threat. In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan to commit new acts of terror.
- Boo, justifying fear is shallow manipulation.
And this danger will only grow if the region slides backwards, and al Qaeda can operate with impunity. We must keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and to do that, we must increase the stability and capacity of our partners in the region.
- Therefore, he builds a set of parameters that dictate failure for his definition of “sliding backwards” is for the region to exist as it had for many years before the armed Christian showed up in the 19th century. It is to throw an egg in the air and wish it to float, no matter how hard wishes, hopes and believes it was another way; in the end there is will be a mess to be cleaned up.
Of course, this burden is not ours alone to bear. This is not just America’s war. Since 9/11, al Qaeda’s safe havens have been the source of attacks against London and Amman and Bali. The people and governments of both Afghanistan and Pakistan are endangered. And the stakes are even higher within a nuclear-armed Pakistan, because we know that al Qaeda and other extremists seek nuclear weapons, and we have every reason to believe that they would use them.
- This is not our war for if Pakistan “turns” the entire world will be at the mercy of a nuclear-armed Pakistan governed by Sharia. A reality the world must be able to deal with, it is no different from Saudi Arabia, who is nuke-less, nod, nod wink, wink.
These facts compel us to act along with our friends and allies. Our overarching goal remains the same: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and to prevent its capacity to threaten America and our allies in the future.
- They have been disrupted, not much to dismantle, and as far as defeating al Qaeda, Christians killing Muslims in their own lands is no recipe for defeating that which, without such actions by the USG, would not be; ie Al Qaeda.
To meet that goal, we will pursue the following objectives within Afghanistan. We must deny al Qaeda a safe haven.
- A safe have nas define as what? A place that hates America? If that is the case, no worry about stopping one, there are so many now. Best to circle the wagons and protect one’s own rather than killing others, while making enemies along the way.
We must reverse the Taliban’s momentum and deny it the ability to overthrow the government.
- Yet outside of Kabul, the Taliban is the government for it is rooted in Sharia, which is what the people of the region tend to gravitate towards when the chips are down.
And we must strengthen the capacity of Afghanistan’s security forces and government so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan’s future.
- He may be able to bellow such nonsense and get away with it but it does not make it any truer. The building of a reliable security force in Afghanistan whose loyalties lie with the Christian occupier is simply unrealistic. Let us move on, history clearly shows this does not work.
We will meet these objectives in three ways. First, we will pursue a military strategy that will break the Taliban’s momentum and increase Afghanistan’s capacity over the next 18 months.
- He speaks of Taliban momentum as if it were a sporting match. Unfortunately no one seems to have learned it is not a “Great Game” to the Pashtuns.
The 30,000 additional troops that I’m announcing tonight will deploy in the first part of 2010 — the fastest possible pace — so that they can target the insurgency and secure key population centers.
- So they will deploy into the teeth of the Afghanistan winter, simply retarded.
They’ll increase our ability to train competent Afghan security forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans can get into the fight.
- Every human in Afghanistan is involved in the fight, to assume that we need more Afghans in the fight is to show naivety in the understanding of how total the war is to the people who live there not just watch it on TV. It such arrogance in ignorance that dooms the entire farce to failure.
And they will help create the conditions for the United States to transfer responsibility to the Afghans.
- See we, the Americans are as of right now the responsible ones, but after some teaching and some fixing, the Afghans can to be the responsible party. Unreal how stupid that is; to base escalation on this assumption of superiority is simply mind numbing, it is a lack of acceptance of facts and severe problem of coping with problems on a rational plane.
Because this is an international effort, I’ve asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we’re confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead.
- The coalition of the willing is waning fast.
Our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in Afghanistan. And now, we must come together to end this war successfully. For what’s at stake is not simply a test of NATO’s credibility — what’s at stake is the security of our allies, and the common security of the world.
So the stake are not simply NATO’s alliance but the world, boo!
But taken together, these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces,
- If only the Afghans were “more responsible”, America would not be in this mess, (Fucking Newsweek!)
and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground.
- Iraq is paradise now, just ask the media who do not cover it but do not ask the humans who live in the shit hole that is Mesopotamia f0r those ungrateful savages kill American reporters for some strange reason.
We’ll continue to advise and assist Afghanistan’s security forces to ensure that they can succeed over the long haul.
- For it is their failure not ours that has caused all the “back-sliding”
But it will be clear to the Afghan government — and, more importantly, to the Afghan people — that they will ultimately be responsible for their own country.
Second, we will work with our partners, the United Nations, and the Afghan people to pursue a more effective civilian strategy, so that the government can take advantage of improved security.
- Ineffective civilian strategy has been Afghanistan’s problem, if only they had “effective strategies” like California or Arizona.
This effort must be based on performance. The days of providing a blank check are over. President Karzai’s inauguration speech sent the right message about moving in a new direction. And going forward, we will be clear about what we expect from those who receive our assistance. We’ll support Afghan ministries, governors, and local leaders that combat corruption and deliver for the people. We expect those who are ineffective or corrupt to be held accountable. And we will also focus our assistance in areas — such as agriculture — that can make an immediate impact in the lives of the Afghan people.
- The Americans plan to run a shadow government behind Karzai; it will fail for there exists a shadow government that actually governs in Afghanistan instead of just bellowing. Based in Sharia law, the Taliban are its students and as needed, its warriors.
The people of Afghanistan have endured violence for decades. They’ve been confronted with occupation — by the Soviet Union, and then by foreign al Qaeda fighters who used Afghan land for their own purposes.
- He conveniently forgets the British Raj.
So tonight, I want the Afghan people to understand — America seeks an end to this era of war and suffering. We have no interest in occupying your country.
- Yet that is precisely what America is doing.
We will support efforts by the Afghan government to open the door to those Taliban who abandon violence and respect the human rights of their fellow citizens.
- Therefore, if the Taliban accept the West imposed government and if the Taliban renounce their way of life, all will be fixed.
And we will seek a partnership with Afghanistan grounded in mutual respect — to isolate those who destroy; to strengthen those who build; to hasten the day when our troops will leave; and to forge a lasting friendship in which America is your partner, and never your patron.
- Make no mistake when any American President says” mutual respect” it means, you had better do what we say…or else. It is the quintessential statement of the American Mafioso.
Third, we will act with the full recognition that our success in Afghanistan is inextricably linked to our partnership with Pakistan.
- America acts in complete ignorance of the history of the region, of the Durand line and the relationship between the Pashtuns and the region.
We’re in Afghanistan to prevent a cancer from once again spreading through that country.
But this same cancer has also taken root in the border region of Pakistan. That’s why we need a strategy that works on both sides of the border.
- Afghanistan is sick and thank goodness, we are here to heal it. Countries do not get cancer nor do regions. The notion that it is broken and we must fix it lies in the shallow and lonely world of rejectionism, unfortunately this unhealthy way of thinking is the prevailing school of philosophy in the modern age.
In the past, there have been those in Pakistan who’ve argued that the struggle against extremism is not their fight, and that Pakistan is better off doing little or seeking accommodation with those who use violence.
- No, they have argued the extremist are right and that Pakistan, a Muslim homeland, should follow Sharia codes not Western ones. How would Israel react to the imposition of Sharia codes by armed occupation on its population?
But in recent years, as innocents have been killed from Karachi to Islamabad, it has become clear that it is the Pakistani people who are the most endangered by extremism. Public opinion has turned.
- Pakistani public opinion is overwhelming anti-American. He makes a statement here that is an open lie.
The Pakistani army has waged an offensive in Swat and South Waziristan. And there is no doubt that the United States and Pakistan share a common enemy.
- See Pakistan, the nation founded as ab Islamic homeland shares the same enemy as America a Christian nation. It is very easy to see how such thinking is problematic, at best.
In the past, we too often defined our relationship with Pakistan narrowly.
- However, let us keep it on the narrow, avoiding the obvious, cross vs. crescent.
Those days are over. Moving forward, we are committed to a partnership with Pakistan that is built on a foundation of mutual interest, mutual respect, and mutual trust.
- The Godfather once again is reiterating the importance of doing what the hell we say!
We will strengthen Pakistan’s capacity to target those groups that threaten our countries, and have made it clear that we cannot tolerate a safe haven for terrorists whose location is known and whose intentions are clear.
- One man’s terrorists is another man’s freedom fighter, the ambiguity of current double speak is counterproductive.
America is also providing substantial resources to support Pakistan’s democracy and development.
- As the Pakistan President cedes power to the military, Obama speaks Pakistani democracy, it is simply invalid statements. The power in Pakistan is and always has been with the military.
We are the largest international supporter for those Pakistanis displaced by the fighting.
- We are the cause of the displacement. We pay for the Pakistani offensive and then take pride in mistreating the refugees, what a fine nation are we, why do they hate us?
And going forward, the Pakistan people must know America will remain a strong supporter of Pakistan’s security and prosperity long after the guns have fallen silent, so that the great potential of its people can be unleashed.
- The problem is the Pakistani people simply do not know right from wrong and thank God we Americans are here to fix that.
These are the three core elements of our strategy: a military effort to create the conditions for a transition; a civilian surge that reinforces positive action; and an effective partnership with Pakistan.
- Throwing more armed Christian in areas they are despised is point one. Point 2 is a “civilian surge”; one problem with this fantasy is the security on the ground is unsafe for NGOs to operate in Afghanistan. Anyone paying attention to the actions of the UN as it withdraws fr0m Afghanistan? Alternatively, any care to notice the attacks on the Serena hotel not to mention the kidnapping and killing of foreign aid workers and reporters. If Obama said we are going to breed unicorns in order to create jobs, it would be more valid than thinking a civilian surge will “succeed” in Afghanistan.
I recognize there are a range of concerns about our approach. So let me briefly address a few of the more prominent arguments that I’ve heard, and which I take very seriously.
First, there are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam.
- Afghanistan is the home of Muslims whereas Vietnam has the smallest population of Muslim in the world. 90% of the US population could not find Vietnam or Afghanistan on a maps o any comaprsion lacks merit.
They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we’re better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing.
- Stabilizing being an entire overhaul of the indigenous people’s way of life. It can be only stabilized through genocide similar to used on the plain Indians of North America.
I believe this argument depends on a false reading of history. Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action.
- Therefore, the reason Vietnam failed was that there was no collation, despite the fact, there was a coalition in Vietnam?
Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency.
- No the Taliban are much deeper than a mere “broad based insurgency”, it has to do with faith. Nationalism was the under driving force in Vietnam.
And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan, and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border.
- The attacks were not from Afghanistan, they were from airports in the United States, it is a statement of a rube.
To abandon this area now — and to rely only on efforts against al Qaeda from a distance — would significantly hamper our ability to keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an unacceptable risk of additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.
- Therefore the region is Al Qaeda land and if not for the fine direction of the US forces with boots on the ground, these nonpeople need to be willing to learn what needs to be taught them.
Second, there are those who acknowledge that we can’t leave Afghanistan in its current state, but suggest that we go forward with the troops that we already have. But this would simply maintain a status quo in which we muddle through, and permit a slow deterioration of conditions there.
- Occupation or more occupation that is the debate.
It would ultimately prove more costly and prolong our stay in Afghanistan, because we would never be able to generate the conditions needed to train Afghan security forces and give them the space to take over.
- See once again it is that we must train them; we must fix them in order for there to be peace. It is to ask the impossible and it begs the question, when did we as nation become so fucking stupid? The answer is we were never smart to begin with, it was an illusion painted by our “forefathers”.
Finally, there are those who oppose identifying a time frame for our transition to Afghan responsibility.
- For if we do not invoke a time frame, the silly little indigenous people of the region will think we will never leave, they will unwilling accept occupation for they know they are overwhelmed by a superior way of life, a higher level of civilization. Same shit the Brits said 200 years ago. The fact this shallow argument that holds no water is preached as wisdom shows how far the fourth branch has crept in to the mind think of the herd.
Indeed, some call for a more dramatic and open-ended escalation of our war effort — one that would commit us to a nation-building project of up to a decade.
- As he bellicosely invokes imperialism based in nation building, he is in fact against such measures. In order for there to be a democracy or even the slightest hint of a democracy, there must be some accountability in leadership. When the press is more concerned with infidelities of golfers than with dishonesty of Presidents, it is government run amok.
I reject this course because it sets goals that are beyond what can be achieved at a reasonable cost, and what we need to achieve to secure our interests. Furthermore, the absence of a time frame for transition would deny us any sense of urgency in working with the Afghan government.
- After eight+ years; the ability to speak of urgency has long passed.
It must be clear that Afghans will have to take responsibility for their security, and that America has no interest in fighting an endless war in Afghanistan.
- Because as of now, American is responsible for the security of the Afghans, a security that flat out bites. There is a body of Afghans that can and will in fact take responsibility for the security of the average Afghan. The group is the Taliban and anyone with the slightest knowledge of history knows the rise of the Taliban is directly related to the lawlessness that occurred following the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, it is directly parallel to the events occurring in Afghanistan today. The people of Afghanistan beg for stability and security. Sharia law, the Taliban, can provide this. The notion that 30,000+ armed Christians will create security is an open admission of complete misunderstanding.
As President, I refuse to set goals that go beyond our responsibility, our means, or our interests.
- Is it “our responsibility” to insure the safety of every human in Afghanistan? In addition, if it is, is that realistic? Moreover, if it is realistic, can it be achieved? The answer to all these questions is clearly, no.
And I must weigh all of the challenges that our nation faces. I don’t have the luxury of committing to just one. Indeed, I’m mindful of the words of President Eisenhower, who — in discussing our national security — said, “Each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs.”
- Matters little to an administration that is willing to print money on the will o the wisp.
Over the past several years, we have lost that balance.
- Actually since World War Two America has been unbalanced in her present state.
We’ve failed to appreciate the connection between our national security and our economy.
- Is he aware of LBJ’s great society and the relationship to Vietnam? Oops, I forgot history starts on 9.11.01.
In the wake of an economic crisis, too many of our neighbors and friends are out of work and struggle to pay the bills. Too many Americans are worried about the future facing our children. Meanwhile, competition within the global economy has grown more fierce.
- In order to compete in a “global economy” corporate America and the USG outsourced jobs in order to keep taxes low and profits high. He can openly speak in such paradoxes because no one holds anyone accountability these days.
So we can’t simply afford to ignore the price of these wars.
- Yet that is precisely what is occurring.
All told, by the time I took office the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan approached a trillion dollars. Going forward, I am committed to addressing these costs openly and honestly.
- Those words are hollow. The supplemental spending has not stopped, it has increased.
Our new approach in Afghanistan is likely to cost us roughly $30 billion for the military this year, and I’ll work closely with Congress to address these costs as we work to bring down our deficit.
- These costs will be hidden and not accounted for within the deficit. It is what supplemental spending is all about, non-accountability.
But as we end the war in Iraq and transition to Afghan responsibility, we must rebuild our strength here at home. Our prosperity provides a foundation for our power. It pays for our military. It underwrites our diplomacy.
- The military and the diplomacy of the Mafioso are supported by its people, why do they target us again?
It taps the potential of our people, and allows investment in new industry. And it will allow us to compete in this century as successfully as we did in the last.
- Might need another world conflict in order to achieve this wish and with the advances in weaponry I am not sure mass production would be the results, instead of guns and butter the next conflict will be more about melted guns and butter and humans.
That’s why our troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended — because the nation that I’m most interested in building is our own.
- Most interested in USA but still very interested in building of other nations in our image, very Christian and very imperialistic, see he is no Muslim after all.
Now, let me be clear: None of this will be easy. The struggle against violent extremism will not be finished quickly, and it extends well beyond Afghanistan and Pakistan.
- Violent extremism being defined as those who wish to live their life by Sharia law because despite common sense telling us that a foreign power using remote aircraft to fire missles into residences in autonomous nations being a prime example of “violent extremism”, it is not. For killings done in the name of the USG is peacekeeping, killing done against the USG and her allies is ” violent extremism” or terrorism if you like and the proponents are Al Qaeda, the Talban, terrorist or for the true American, bad guys.
It will be an enduring test of our free society, and our leadership in the world. And unlike the great power conflicts and clear lines of division that defined the 20th century, our effort will involve disorderly regions, failed states, diffuse enemies.
- His degree of difficulty is much greater than leaders in the past but fear not he will persevere. Puke.
So as a result, America will have to show our strength in the way that we end wars and prevent conflict — not just how we wage wars. We’ll have to be nimble and precise in our use of military power.
- Eight years of failed occupation does not make a nation “nimble and precise”, quite the contrary.
Where al Qaeda and its allies attempt to establish a foothold — whether in Somalia or Yemen or elsewhere — they must be confronted by growing pressure and strong partnerships.
- A foothold? The door has been kicked down Sherlock.
And we can’t count on military might alone. We have to invest in our homeland security, because we can’t capture or kill every violent extremist abroad. We have to improve and better coordinate our intelligence, so that we stay one step ahead of shadowy networks.
- So rather, than deal with the cause of the problem, we must build our walls higher. Once again, an illustration of the group think that is rejectionism.
We will have to take away the tools of mass destruction. And that’s why I’ve made it a central pillar of my foreign policy to secure loose nuclear materials from terrorists, to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, and to pursue the goal of a world without them — because every nation must understand that true security will never come from an endless race for ever more destructive weapons; true security will come for those who reject them.
- Says the leader of the nation with a nuclear arsenal large enough to destroy the word 20,000+ times over, how very peaceful of him. For those who do not wish to stunt Persian nuclear progress are rejecting the nuclear arsenal of the United States and Israel and living in dream world of delusion.
We’ll have to use diplomacy, because no one nation can meet the challenges of an interconnected world acting alone.
- Therefore, an escalation of 30,000+ is in order.
I’ve spent this year renewing our alliances and forging new partnerships. And we have forged a new beginning between America and the Muslim world – one that recognizes our mutual interest in breaking a cycle of conflict, and that promises a future in which those who kill innocents are isolated by those who stand up for peace and prosperity and human dignity.
- The man like his predecessors is in a bubble and fails to see the world as it is.
And finally, we must draw on the strength of our values — for the challenges that we face may have changed, but the things that we believe in must not. That’s why we must promote our values by living them at home — which is why I have prohibited torture and will close the prison at Guantanamo Bay.
- Gitmo is in Cuba not at home, did we practice torture at home?
And we must make it clear to every man, woman and child around the world who lives under the dark cloud of tyranny that America will speak out on behalf of their human rights, and tend to the light of freedom and justice and opportunity and respect for the dignity of all peoples. That is who we are. That is the source, the moral source, of America’s authority.
- Square that crap statement with one he said earlier in the speech” As President, I refuse to set goals that go beyond our responsibility, our means, or our interests.” America has long lost its “moral authority”, in fact when one reviews history it is hard to find when America ever had a moral authority. Manifest density on a global scale is horsehit 101.
Since the days of Franklin Roosevelt, and the service and sacrifice of our grandparents and great-grandparents, our country has borne a special burden in global affairs. We have spilled American blood in many countries on multiple continents. We have spent our revenue to help others rebuild from rubble and develop their own economies. We have joined with others to develop an architecture of institutions — from the United Nations to NATO to the World Bank — that provide for the common security and prosperity of human beings.
- No problem if one is willing to accept the assumption America has been the “force for good”. Good being defined as whatever America wants; America takes or at least tries to.
We have not always been thanked for these efforts, and we have at times made mistakes.
- Hard to thank someone when your insides are splatter all over the front yard.
But more than any other nation, the United States of America has underwritten global security for over six decades — a time that, for all its problems, has seen walls come down, and markets open, and billions lifted from poverty, unparalleled scientific progress and advancing frontiers of human liberty.
- We are so very very good, exceptional, the delusional might say.
For unlike the great powers of old, we have not sought world domination. Our union was founded in resistance to oppression. We do not seek to occupy other nations.
- Yet occupation is what has occurred.
We will not claim another nation’s resources or target other peoples because their faith or ethnicity is different from ours.
- We attacked Iraq because of our goodness not because of the oil.
What we have fought for — what we continue to fight for — is a better future for our children and grandchildren.
- In addition, as we burden them with the greatest debt in the history of man we say “Good luck with the Chinese”. Any time anyone tells you there are doing it for our children and grandchildren, watch that person very closely for they are a lying self centered scumbag playing on basic human emotions.
And we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples’ children and grandchildren can live in freedom and access opportunity. (Applause.)
- If only “those people” would change their ways and allow us to fix them, the all children would live in peace under the love and guidance of Jesus.
As a country, we’re not as young — and perhaps not as innocent — as we were when Roosevelt was President.
- A black man claiming a innocence to a nation where 600,000 were killed in a civil war based on raced based slavery is absurd. In 1933, America was not innocent, ask an American Indian.
Yet we are still heirs to a noble struggle for freedom.
- A nation built on genocide hidden by lies. So noble is annihilation of the indigenous population so great is we! Like culling buffalo and beavers.
And now we must summon all of our might and moral suasion to meet the challenges of a new age.
- Moral suasion by means of the Mafioso
In the end, our security and leadership does not come solely from the strength of our arms. It derives from our people — from the workers and businesses who will rebuild our economy; from the entrepreneurs and researchers who will pioneer new industries; from the teachers that will educate our children, and the service of those who work in our communities at home; from the diplomats and Peace Corps volunteers who spread hope abroad; and from the men and women in uniform who are part of an unbroken line of sacrifice that has made government of the people, by the people, and for the people a reality on this Earth. (Applause.)
- Where is it a reality, most certainly not the United States that is an open lie unchallenged by the marginalized.
This vast and diverse citizenry will not always agree on every issue — nor should we. But I also know that we, as a country, cannot sustain our leadership, nor navigate the momentous challenges of our time, if we allow ourselves to be split asunder by the same rancor and cynicism and partisanship that has in recent times poisoned our national discourse.
It’s easy to forget that when this war began, we were united — bound together by the fresh memory of a horrific attack, and by the determination to defend our homeland and the values we hold dear.
- It is easy to forget that emotions brought about by anger are not the best and that decision made in the fog of revenge are always unwise. To continue a path of the crimes of 9-11 in inexcusable and it is another clear illustrator of failed leadership on all levels. The USG is broken.
I refuse to accept the notion that we cannot summon that unity again. (Applause.)
- Unity forged upon mass murder can be achieved again, what is wrong with this guy? Is he not asking, no wishing and hoping, for another attack?
I believe with every fiber of my being that we — as Americans — can still come together behind a common purpose.
- Belief is for the clueless, reject belief seek to understand.
For our values are not simply words written into parchment — they are a creed that calls us together, and that has carried us through the darkest of storms as one nation, as one people.
America — we are passing through a time of great trial. And the message that we send in the midst of these storms must be clear: that our cause is just, our resolve unwavering.
- As long as the parameters of thinking revolve around the myopic and simplistic concept, “we are just”; we as a people are fucked.
We will go forward with the confidence that right makes might, and with the commitment to forge an America that is safer, a world that is more secure, and a future that represents not the deepest of fears but the highest of hopes. (Applause.)
- As we bomb the piss out of them, occupy them and continue the farce let us rest in the asinine notion the “right makes might”. Are we as a nation this stupid?
Thank you. God bless you. May God bless the United States of America. (Applause.) Thank you very much. Thank you. (Applause.)
- “God made us number one because he loves us the best, well maybe He should go bless someone else for a while, give us a rest”





